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[davidJ]

[tom99]

Hmm, I don't know about all that. I got the Masterworks package. It all looks nice and has nice energies and such, but it was not what I was expecting. I don't like the way he wrote some stuff, almost cult-like indeed.

I should probably practise more with the images in that book.
@davidJ: does that sound like a good idea or is it a rather weak system according to you?

[davidJ]

Hi all,

In terms of the masterworks, you will know for yourself if it is good or bad for you. I am just telling my story. I have emailed others and perhaps they will share. But yes, those glimpses you are seeing in the book of cult like stuff is right on from what I have seen.

Being in integrity and practicing compassion is more important than anything.

I am not trying to tell anyone not to buy something or use something that is helpful to them. I Am only sharing the truth of what happened to me and others. Decide for yourselves. Check in with your own knowing- Perhaps his work is just what you need- and looking at a picture will change your life. Or perhaps you can go directly to God.

David

[PHprism]

I left his group about a year ago. I followed his work and went to every teleclass and in-person workshop for 3 years. I also worked with him professionally for 9 months.

In the beginning, I was attracted to his work because I felt a very powerful energy from looking at his website. In fact, I even felt something heal inside me the first time I saw one of his images. I then attended his workshop in Sedona in 2004 and was really impressed with him. He really seemed like he was in his integrity. I really admired his self-discipline, which I felt that I lacked at the time.

There were a few warning signs present at his workshop that year, although I wouldn’t discover the full depths of who he really was until 2 years later. During a woman’s presentation about nutrition, in front of an audience of about 300, he interrupted her mid-sentence and kicked her off the stage, supposedly saving the audience from “hooks” that this woman was supposedly placing into us. I honestly didn’t know what to think of this at the time, but was horrified as the entire audience erupted into applause.

On a break after this drama unfolded, I remember sitting on the curb outside the hotel and feeling sickened. We didn’t know the back story of what was going on, so why was everyone so happy that the supposed “bad guy” had been banished? There was something very Nazi-like about the whole thing.

Nonetheless, I left the workshop feeling impressed and even looked up to him.

2 years later I attended a smaller class where he gave out “destinies” to people. These were pieces of paper with a one paragraph description of what we were put on Earth to do. Some of his teachings that year were decent. Including teachings about going directly to God. But some of his tendencies to control were starting to be apparent. When you go to the workshop he restricts when you can leave the hotel, and where you can go. For example, the first 3 nights you were not allowed to leave the hotel and were not allowed to go into town. All of this is portrayed as orders “directly from the Angelic Hierarchy.”

It was at this time that he started to introduce his Ascensionist prophecies, saying that in 2012 the world will be split into 2 and unless you are on your destiny vibrating in the 5th dimension you will be demoted back to a caveman level of consciousness.

There was a lot of rhetoric implying that “we are the special ones” (the ones at the class) and he really emphasized the cosmic importance of our group of 20 people: “This class is the great cosmic experiment…” etc.

During the class he also began to make a lot of promises. Like we are the ones who will live forever, and that if you follow your destiny you will have 3 houses. He said that spiritual teachers are being taken out of power for not being in integrity and that these new openings are intended for us, the special ones.

One of the greatest aspects of that class for me at the time was the bond that I felt with many of the other 20 people who attended. One of the things I learned through this whole experience is that the isolation and need for community that many “lightworkers” feel can actually leave them vulnerable to be taken advantage of.

Up until this point, at least in my perception, his group wasn’t a cult yet. But directly after the destiny workshops in which around 80 people attended in 4 different classes, he started adding telecalls to make sure that we were on track with our destinies.

It was at this point that people started to turn into mindless followers, albeit very slowly. He was the guru and we were to ask him questions about every little decision in our lives.

“If I get this brand of shoelaces, will that further me along my destiny?”

In fact if you did not ask him questions then he said you were not committed to your destiny and would be “flatlined”.

It is in my opinion, that at this point he really started to turn. If his work was ever positive, it definitely began to get murkier and go into a darker grey area. I believe he became addicted to the power of having control over these details in people’s lives. He got off on it.

My spouse and I had gone to all of his classes up until this point together. And at first we were held up as the examples that everyone else should be like on these calls. “You two get special dispensations from the hierarchy because you will be moving,” he said on one telecall.

Several months later, when we hadn’t moved he made the grave and angry prediction: “The window has closed.”

By this time I had started to work with him professionally, and would spend many hours with him on the phone. He would call at any time of the day or night and give me hours and hours worth of “free psychic advice” which I greatly appreciated at the time.

Unfortunately, what I didn’t see was that he was slowly working an agenda to encourage me to break up with my spouse and move across the country. It was a very slow and subtle process, but there was one specific phone conversation in which he crossed the line into my relationship. “Where do you see your relationship going?” he asked.

Instinctively, I began to shut down when he asked me this and he said, “You’re blocking me.”

Because I was working with him, he started to act as if he had a say over every aspect of my life. He told me that I mustn’t use my computer or cell phone after 12pm each day or I would be “helping to build an evil energetic grid.” All of this was in spite of the fact that he would often use his cell phone or computer after noon on a frequent basis.

He eventually gave me a deadline to move across the country. He told me that I had to move away from my spouse and that if I didn’t move I would “no longer be safe” where I was living at the time.

He began to put together small hand-picked groups from the original destiny classes called “destiny teams” made up of the special people he chose. These groups were supposed to train under him to learn how to become the “new kind of spiritual teachers.”

As crazy as it sounds, he was grooming me to be something like an overseer of these groups and wanted me to control their energy like he was doing. He would say things to me at the time like, “You have to run the energy of the whole group,” but what he was driving at didn’t compute to me at all, because my mind doesn’t work that way.

Sadly, many people fell for his tactics and did uproot their lives thinking that this was God’s plan for them. But of course, it wasn’t God's plan. It was his plan.

He also put together another secret group called the “power of 12”. Again these were hand-picked special people, that he put together to do psychic protection for him everyday. He sold it by making it seem how much we all would benefit and how it would put us on the “fast-track” for our destinies.

The rules of this group were very strict. You had to get up at a 5am and state each person in the groups name and then do protection about a certain aspect of everyday life that you were assigned.

In the first meeting of the group, he stated how important he was and that all of these “dark forces” were out to kill him, but luckily a UFO appeared and saved him. All of this sounds completely crazy, but the fact that no one hung up the phone is a testament to the amount of mind-control that was going on.

All of this culminated in a class in 2007, in which he waited until the two of us were alone and gave me the prediction, “I wasn’t going to tell you this, but I think [your spouse] is going to die.”

He is so sick and so detached from the emotional bonds that people have in relationships that he expected that I would simply leave my spouse on the spot.

Up until this point, his agenda had been very subtle to me, but this tactic was so blatant I could finally see through it.

When I confronted him about it, he countered that the “hierarchy was very disappointed in me.” and “after all I’ve done for you to further your spiritual growth” this is the way you repay me, etc.

I know of at least 5 or 6 other people who received nearly the exact same letter when they dared to question him.

For people who are not in the inner circle, it can be harder to tell what he is really about. But I ask people just to do a simple reality check. Of all the things that he promised would come true for you a year ago, what has actually come true? Do you have the 3 houses that he promised?

It’s not like when you start going to his classes he tells you to break up with your spouse or move right away. It is a very slow, methodical and insidious process.

It’s starts out with him telling you that certain foods are higher energy than others. And that in order for you to do your spiritual work, because there is so much “infiltration” during the day, you have to wake up at 12-3am and work all night long.

He tries to limit what music you listen to and what teachers you can go to. And if you allow it, your will will be slowly eroded away.

He has tried to break up many couples. I recently heard from some friends of mine that he tried to do the exact same thing to them. He is a master manipulator. He is very good at picking up on your weaknesses and exploiting them. He seems to trigger the “I’m the only one in the class who doesn’t understand” or “I don’t want to get left behind” childhood wounds in people.

Unfortunately, when the things that he says don't come true many of us blame ourselves. There must be something that I didn't do right, and that's why it's not working. But this makes it all too easy for him to manipulate you as he will of course put the blame on you as well. He'll tell you how you're not measuring up, or that you're "almost there", but unfortunately, "there" never comes.

His classes are definitely not a space where thinking for yourself is encouraged. If anyone ever disagrees with him or confronts him directly they are promptly kicked out of the class, in the same way he did to his presenter in 2004.

One of the biggest lessons I got out of this whole experience is that just because you feel the “power” of something doesn’t tell you where that power is coming from. I feel the power, but where’s the love? This man does not show love. On the contrary he is a very sadistic individual, humiliating and degrading others for the sure enjoyment of it.

When he told me my spouse was going to die, he did so with a smile on his face!

This experience was the most difficult spiritual lesson I have ever gone through but ultimately the most valuable one. Perhaps in reality he really is a good teacher, because I learned from him that you should never put someone between you and God. No go-betweens.

[angeloftruth]

I too have seen this first hand. Can you believe that people manipulate people only for their own gain or in the name of God? I wish it were not true. I was very trusting, but have learned to be discerning now.

[Vanessa Sword]

I have attended Bryan de Flores's events and worked with his accelerators for at least a decade now (ok, I'm a slow learner). I have to say that I've gained very little other than a lesson in what to avoid in the future. The problem is that he's so effective at making promises that really hook people and it is easy to find oneself pulled into the manipulation without realizing what is occurring.

Finally it got to the point where it was imposible to overlook his abusiveness and need to control people. I have to say that he's very effective at getting his claws into people as it took a lot to get him out of my energy field and consciousness. He does know how to maipulate energy and create experiences that may feel good at the time but peove to not have a lasting impact.

He does seem to work from the mental body - don't know what happened to his heart but I've not seen any evidence that he knows how to operate from that level.

I would encourage anyone who is interested in his work to use tremendous discernment. There is an obvious lack of integrity but unfortunately if you are new to his work it takes awhile to put all the pieces together to see what is really going on.

There is so much available to us that truly is effective and positive that it seems a shame to waste time and money on those who have wandered off track.

[angeloftruth]

Dear vanessa,

I would have to agree. I never got anything out of the accelerators but spent much money. There is much hype and promises.

As you say, I saw no evidence of Love or compassion. In fact, I was someone who was shown such a lack of compassion and integrity that I
suffered greatly. It was traumatic.

The lesson and gift was that I gained discernment. I also found my power. There is much mind control, hooks and manipulation going on in the name of God and his made up "angelic hierarchy". The real Angels would never manipulate.

I read prisms letter and was struck by how I too talked to others who received letters from him saying the angels were displeased with them. Angels are pure love and compassion,not to be used to manipulate and use fear tactics in others.

As painful as this all has been, it has been such a learning. I feel sorry for all those people who have left their humanity behind to follow someone else who they think has all the answers. How many times has this happened in the course of human history? How many times have people learned about their own power after going through lessons like this?

I thank you for what you added. I have been quiet about this for so long as what I went through was so traumatic.But ultimately my greatest gift is in saying "NO MORE" I will not be victimized again".

[ananda13]

i was never part of his "inner circle" but witnessed a couple of my friends go through absolute hell, including psychic attacks (that had to be cleared by other healers, etc.), physical problems, etc.

i was introduced to his work several years ago and was so drawn to some of what he was doing that i even incorporated some of the accelerators in my professional healing work. although i was very attracted to his artistry, i can't attest to the efficacy of the claims made about the accelerators. as i viewed his online catalogue as a whole back in 2004, i intuitively felt that he was a "mixed bag" at that time and even somewhat delusional, though talented.

in spite of this feeling, i attended his workshop at the luxor hotel in vegas in 2005. the presentation was a bit scattered and i was amused as i heard him ramble off what seemed like absurd eating recommendations for some people there..things like "you must eat four pies by midnight tomorrow" or you will lose your "dispensations" with the hierarchy. this isn't an exact quote but you get the idea. i actually remember laughing, thinking this was just tongue-in-cheek. i was still in disbelief when my friends who were sitting with me told me he was actually SERIOUS!!! sure enough, he went on and on about the need to eat certain things (often in unhealthy, copious quantities) at certain times. these were very individual recommendations and it seemed like people there were made to feel honored if he so deigned to dole out one to you so you could "progress" much faster in your spiritual growth.

i tried to separate the good from the downright strange but as i witnessed my friends struggle through cultish experiences with him i became completely turned off. i used to recommend his work to my clients and i no longer do so. true, even the bad teachers teach us something but if you have a choice, you can save your energy for more positive experiences. a good teacher will always honor your right to use your personal will and develop a relationship with your inner guidance. if you feel someone is undermining your confidence in your own sense of what's appropriate, something is definitely wrong.

[PHprism]

It is really amazing and relieving to see people actually speak their truth about what goes on in that organization.

After I was "banished from the kingdom" almost all of my supposed friends turned their backs on me and my spouse.

When I warned a few what had had happened to me, their reactions were very cold or even worse in the case of one of his assistants who acted like it was just business as usual!

I guess after people have invested so much time, energy and money into the organization--often leaving behind their careers, families and homes...it is very difficult to see the truth. They don't want to see the truth and face the actual toll that has been taken in their lives.

After I finally was out of the group I was helped by many healers to undo the damage and scrambling that he does to your energy field and your mind. I found that one of his techniques is to shut down your emotional body, so that those feelings of "something isn't right here" are repressed, but catch up with you later once you have removed yourself from his energy.

[davidJ]

I am sitting here at work and was wowed to see how people have responded to this thread. There have been so many people who have been through so much. The truth always comes out.

I am so glad others have posted to tell their stories. This is very healing for those of us who have seen what goes on. I have not gone through nearly as much as so many others I have spoke to or others who posted already, But I have seen enough.

It would be nice to see if others post.

David

[Vanessa Sword]

It's so unfortunate that someone like Bryan de Flores (Brian de Flores, Bryan deflores, etc.) has the ability to reach so many and yet acts so irresponsibly. I couldn't help but think of him with all the news coverage this week about the polygamist cult in Texas. Yet another example of the power of mind manipulation and how if affects people on so many levels.

Here's to discernment, paying attention to our intuition and going directly to Source for truth.

[AscensionWave]

[davidJ]

Ascension, I did not write that. PHprism did. But I agree completely. There are many who manipulate energy and who are very good at it. But are you using it with good intent and with love or are you using it to manipulate or degrade others. Someone above mentioned they saw their friends have to be cleared of energetic attack. I have seen this too. When I read what that poster wrote I could not believe that others too have gone through this. How many have there been? THis is very evil and has caused so much trauma and pain for people. How can someone hurt the innocent and then go on with their lives and actually teach "spirituality"? Very nazi like.

It does seem like many are not thinking for themselves or have a glazed over look in their eyes. I knew i had to get out of that class when two friends I had met the year earlier seemed not like themselves when I talked to them. I ask them how they were. With glazed over looks they said "we just want to work on our destinies.". I was horrified.

I attended the may class in 2007. He said something to the affect of if anyone wrote him nasty emails or disagreed with him, as he had been getting them, he would send destroyer angels to attack! I was shocked. I looked at my friend in disbelief. Now, knowing more after talking to others, this is obviously the way he works. Sounds like the Wicked WItch of the West sending out her monkeys. hmmmm.

Also, be warned, when people get out or are "banished" as PH writes, they are labeled "infiltrated" are not "sanctioned" anymore. This is an old cult tactic in order to not have the ones still hooked talk to the ones who now see the truth. Sadly, those who are still in it believe this so they never contact those who could help them and tell them what is going on.

Be very careful. Ascension is right. Love is the most important thing. I would say look for love and compassion in any healer. modality, or class you would be part of. If anyone tells you what to do, how to think or tries to manipulate ...leave. have love for yourself and leave. David

[tom99]

If anyone could please dowse if it would be harmful to use Bryan's stuff, that would be really appreciated. I don't know what to think about it anymore. The people that posted all those negative things about him could be telling the truth or they're overreacting (no offense).

I've been using that free MightyHeart audiovisual activation quite a bit and I'm really impressed with the "feelgood factor" of it (and results afterwards as well). As you can see I'm worried that it could also be installing something harmful within me, without my permission. Please help

Thank you.

[angellight23]

Hello all,

I know that this was discussed over a year ago, but I am concerned about my mother being involved with Bryan De Flores and wanted to consult you about help for her. I randomly found this forum discussing all the negative aspects of his work, and everything that is noted on here about his actions are what is going on with my mother. Please contact me if you are able to discuss with me how you left the group/ and why. Thank you so much and I hope that you have been able to recovery from his dangerous control.